Re: nu alltr e gw alltr?

[Padraic Brown <pbrown@nova.umuc.edu>]

On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Raymond A. Brown wrote:

> >
> >That sounds reasonable (for B not to make an inclusive/exclusive
> >distinction).  What do you think about its manifestation in other ways, as
> >for example, emphasis or perhaps politeness.
> 
> If we want to emphasize exclusivity, just as in English it's not uncommon
> to say "we other" /"us others" or "the of us" and if we want to be
> inclusive we say "we all" / "us all" or "all of us".

By emphasis I meant not "emphasis of exclusivity" but general emphasis;
like _*WE*_ v. we.

> 
> But both neither French & modern Welsh have developed polite 3rd person
> substitutes for "you".  Both languages retain the old 2nd singular (tu/ ti
> respectively) as informal or intimate form of singular address, and use the
> old plural (vous/ ch(w)i) as the polite singular as well as the general
> plural.  Therefore, I think it likely that Brithenig would've done the same.
> 

More or less the same in Spain, except that "new" polite forms were
created (vuestra merced and one or two others that didn't catch on).

> 
> >>
> >> >some other thoughts going on at the moment:
> >> >
> >> >1. on the evidence of germination in Italian, should Brithenig prep. _a_
> >> >be followed by aspirant mutation;
> >> >
> >> >ad + C > a + CC > a + Ch
> .......
> >
> >If the final /d/ became [h] (like Andalucian and many Lat. Am. dialects
> >(la ciuda de Madri, for ex.));
> 
> I thought it was in fact silent in such cases.  Voiced fricatives (which is
> what Spanish /d/ is in such positions) have a tendency to disappear, cf.
> final -f [v] in modern Welsh.  Oddly, however, final [D] maintains itself
> in Welsh, so much so that when the final -f of Caerdyf became silent the
> fricative was restored as the modern Caerdydd.

It's frequently very difficult to tell: some people say Madhri, others
Madhrih.  Even in Madrid the final /d/ seems to dissapear at times; except
when news readers talk, then it's la Thhhhiudhhhhadhhhh de Madhhhridhhhh
;-)

Padraic.