I can't find a reliable etymology for bwca but it seems to me to come from a stem *bo:k-. This would become bug- in Brithenig to which I'm inclined to give the augmentive suffix. So in Brithenig goblin can be 'bugun'. It has a nice orcish sound to it! - andrew. Andrew Smith <hobbit@earthlight.co.nz> Life is short, so am I...